How to get a .crash file from an iPhone without using XCode?

In this Apple documentation https://developer.apple.com/documentation/xcode/acquiring-crash-reports-and-diagnostic-logs

it says "If a customer reports a crash, they can transfer the crash report to either a Mac or Windows computer. See Find device crash and energy logs on a Mac or Windows computer."

In the page that links to (https://help.apple.com/xcode/mac/current/#/dev0f3181c2c) it says "When an app crashes or uses excessive CPU on a device, the operating system creates a log of that event. The next time you connect the device to your Mac, the system downloads those records (known as crash or energy logs) to your Mac. "

But where on your Mac, it doesn't say where. Where does it the Mac download the crash reports to?

How stupid of me, it says it below, you just need to click on an arrow to expand it thats all

Oh, but I take that back, and consequently recasting my question. So I have an iPhone which has crashed lots of times, its been connected to my Mac for hours, but after going to ~/Library/Logs/CrashReporter/MobileDevice there is nothing there, the MobileDevice folder is totally empty. Yet I know for a fact there are crash reports on that iPhone because I can see them in XCodes Organizer (the reason I am asking this question is for getting reports without using XCode)

How to get a .crash file from an iPhone without using XCode?
 
 
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