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      Latest reply: Nov 6, 2017 3:00 PM by camolleur RSS
      smliaquat Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

        I am curious Apple is pushing iPad Pro to Enterprise. Are they planning to make xcode available on iPad Pro?

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          bob133 Level 4 Level 4 (955 points)

          Probably not.  Mostly they're into productivity apps and the like.  Besides, I don't think Xcode would be good as an iOS app—you'd have to give up way too much of its functionality in order to produce something you can use on an iPad.

            • Re: Xcode for iPad Pro
              GrangerFX Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

              That is a pretty damning critique of iOS. You are saying it is not good enough to run XCode yet Apple is releasing a "Pro" iPad which uses it. Hardware wise, the iPad Pro has plenty of power to run XCode. It has (according to rumors) 4GB of RAM and a very speedy, possibly quad core, A9 CPU. 32GB is enough for small projects and 128GB is enough for most other projects. It comes down to the operating system and the features it lacks. The main missing feature is a real file system. iOS does have a complete file system internally. You can create files and folders as usual. The missing piece is some way to expose these files and folders to end users easily. Apple did add a basic file picker in the latest update but presenting complete folders with the ability to select multiple files and drag them to other folder is just not there yet.

               

              If Apple did release XCode for the iPad Pro, it would be an instant purchase for me. As it stands though, it is tough to justify over $1000 for the high end model just to test my apps. The reason that XCode would be so compelling is that we would finally be able to code and debug a real touch based UI on the actual device it is targeted for. With the pencil and keyboard, the iPad Pro would be a complete development system. I would use it to make small changes and fixes to my apps while in the field (I develop GPS mapping apps).

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                  OOPer Level 7 Level 7 (3,725 points)

                  I also expect Xcode for iPad Pro.

                   

                  Announced open sourcing plan of Swift contains this statement:

                  • At launch we intend to contribute ports for OS X, iOS, and Linux.

                   

                  Everyone thinks `port for Linux` means Swift compiler including standard library and build system run on Linux, and can compile and build an app run on Linux.

                  I expect all the same as `for iOS`.

                  Swift compiler including standard library and build system run on iOS, and can compile and build an app run on iOS.

                   

                  Xcode may not be included in the open source plan, but Xcode for iPad Pro seems more reallistic than a delusion.

                  • Re: Xcode for iPad Pro
                    chornbe Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

                    Agreed; I want XCode and - more importantly to me - the ability to run a proper Node engine for development on an iPad pro. It's really the only thing keeping me from getting one; I can't use it for proper development. Saving text files to a Dropbox account, and doing a bunch of server side chicanery to get the ability to edit code on an iPad is NOT the same experience and is, to me, completely useless.

                     

                    I love my MacBook Pro and iMac, but I don't need all this if the iPad Pro - even a super beefy one at high cost - can do what I need.

                     

                    Apple....? You hearing us?

                      • Re: Xcode for iPad Pro
                        Drgeert Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

                        I also agree. I'm leaning towards buying an iPP and XCode for iPad would make the decision really easy.

                         

                        Considering that Swift Playgrounds on iPad is what made me download XCode for Mac in the first place...

                         

                        I could imagine that file management is a hurdle that yet needs to be taken.

                         

                        Maybe when the first quirks have been ironed out of the new Files app for iOS, XCode will follow?

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                        g_willy Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

                        With the addition of a file system to iOS 11, how far behind can Xcode be? Will it happen now?

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                        mbm29414 Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

                        I run Xcode on my 13" MacBook Air. Of course, it's not nearly as good as when I do it on my 5K iMac with 2 external screens, but it works, and there's the distinct advantage of not needing a several-mile-long power cord in order to alter code at business meetings.

                         

                        Apple has ported Pages, Numbers and Keynote, and those work really well, so I don't see any reason Apple couldn't do the port. Sure, you'd give up some advantages of a larger screen, and having an external keyboard would pretty much be a requirement, but the screen size issue is already true with their smaller laptops, and I wouldn't even think of coding using the on-screen keyboard. With the Pencil for IB layouts (even though I prefer code-based layout), what features would be completely missing? With potentially allowing iCloud Drive to manage the projects (and perhaps a super-cool PIP for the simulator), I don't see much reason (beyond the simple fact that it's likely a LOT of work) that it can't be done.


                        I doubt you could be very productive with the iPad Pro as your primary development machine, but having at least an "Xcode light" for on-the-road coding would be EPIC!!!! And I, for one, would LOVE it! I really, really hope they listen to us on this one and get it done!

                      • Re: Xcode for iPad Pro
                        KMT Level 9 Level 9 (10,425 points)

                        Apple tends to avoid discussing future plans, but in the past, the indication was to not expect Xcode on iOS. The option as in the past is to look into Parallels, etc., I think.

                        • Re: Xcode for iPad Pro
                          LittleOS Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

                          I realize this is an old thread but, I felt a reply was worth making at this time.

                           

                          If any of you here who have commented, are referring to the Simulator aspect of Xcode - then please download the later versions in beta, such as Xcode Version 7.1 beta (7B75) which certainly does have a Simulator for the iPad Pro device (and others).

                           

                          Did this help you?

                           

                          Cheers

                            • Re: Xcode for iPad Pro
                              RLKingSoftware Level 3 Level 3 (485 points)

                              No-one is talking about simulating the iPad Pro in xCode. They are talking about actually

                              running xCode on the iPad Pro which isn't possible at this point.

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                                  LittleOS Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

                                  Yes , I noticed that.

                                  I skipped alot of what I was thinking.

                                  Why would anyone want to develop/write code ON an iPad of any sort ? limited input capabilities, etc They are not a cost savings over some models of MBAir, etc. The most outstanding benefit I could see at the moment is in testing on real equipment. At least any kind of MAC has plenty of ports for multiple screens of varying sizes that can make developing and debugging alot easier- the form factor of the iPAD Pro doesn't really lend itself to that.

                                  Just a thought.

                                    • Re: Xcode for iPad Pro
                                      mbm29414 Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

                                      See my comment up above. For someone who's a full-time Apple developer (well, I do some Android when I absolutely have to because it helps pay the bills), having a portable version of Xcode to supplement (not replace) my iMac would be great. I currently have a MacBook Air for that task, and it's ok, but I end up taking my MacBook Air, iPad Air 2, iPhone, etc... with me all the time. If I could combine the MacBook Air and iPad Air 2 into a single iPad Pro device, that would be great. Likely? Nope. But since they're sitting on $200 billion in cash: C'mon Apple, throw me a bone! ;-)

                                        • Re: Xcode for iPad Pro
                                          donarb Level 3 Level 3 (150 points)

                                          Not gonna happen.

                                           

                                          Xcode requires the libraries in Mac OS X to function, including keychain support and pieces from iTunes and Safari. Xcode and the Mac OS add up to 15-20GB of storage on disk. There's also the limited amount of RAM that an app can use on an iPad. How exactly would you run Xcode, Instruments and a Simulator all at the same time? And all on a small screen, anybody recall the complaints from 13" MacBook users when Xcode went from multiple windows to a mono window? And then there's the security risk, no way Apple would allow a compiler on a consumer device.

                                           

                                          Xcode on the iPad would be a crippled stepchild of the Mac version.

                                            • Re: Xcode for iPad Pro
                                              Jason Wang Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

                                              The reason why Xcode requires all the OS X stuff is because it is currently only designed for developing on OS X. They can easily remove that kind of depedencies if porting to iOS. The only thing that is essentially required in this case is a compiler, which is not a technical problem at all.

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                                      olegl Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

                                      Completely support you.

                                       

                                      In latest vacation i was made full working prototype of REST API server side and native app completely only on mobile 7" device. It was Android Nexus 7 2013 with KSWEB (php,nginx, mysql)  and AIDE (IDE for Android Java C++).

                                       

                                      Why in 2015 i can write, compile and run android app on Android, and cannot to do same on iOS?

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                                        GrangerFX Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

                                        Tim Cook says he travels with just an iPhone and an iPad Pro. I sure wish I could!

                                         

                                        XCode for iPad Pro!

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                                            KMT Level 9 Level 9 (10,425 points)

                                            I'll bet TC has never written a line of code in his life.

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                                              KMT Level 9 Level 9 (10,425 points)

                                              Here is something else TC recently said...

                                               

                                              "We feel strongly that customers are not really looking for a converged Mac and iPad. Because what that would wind up doing, or what we’re worried would happen, is that neither experience would be as good as the customer wants. So we want to make the best tablet in the world and the best Mac in the world. And putting those two together would not achieve either. You'd begin to compromise in different ways".

                                                • Re: Xcode for iPad Pro
                                                  chornbe Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

                                                  He's flat out wrong. Everyone I know would love to have a one-device lifestyle. Crappy as the Pixel-C was, it permitted that. Just not a robust-enough piece of hardware. Apple can do this. They're just afraid - and rightly so, I think - of intra-product cannibalization toward the new devices.

                                                   

                                                  $.02     

                                                    • Re: Xcode for iPad Pro
                                                      KMT Level 9 Level 9 (10,425 points)

                                                      Apple has been trying to convince people that the iPP is a 'computer' for the last year. Mostly thru smoke/mirrors marketing, however, rather than actually delivering such an animal over that time.

                                                       

                                                      But yes, as I said in this thread last Oct., it's all about the product line and bottom line - not so much a 1DL for 'everyone' - that and the way small screens would require an nearly all new IDE. Oh wait...that describes the Swift Playgrounds App...problem solved, sort of

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                                                  rvenable Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

                                                  I'm on my iPad Pro right now, typing on the software keyboard. I think it would be cool to code with it. I tend to not code very linearly but jump from line to line a lot. I love how easy it is to use 2 fingers to move my cursor around the text. It's less movement than moving your hands from keyboard to trackpad, which seems like it would benefit my jumping around my code. Anyway, the are bound to be many trade offs both ways, but it would be great to see Apple begin to experiment this way. Plus, on iOS, we can make our own keyboards for coding.

                                                   

                                                  By the way, I don't plan on buying the keyboard cover because the software keyboard is adequate, and I would lose the ability to move the cursor easily with the hardware keyboard (not to mention it is expensive).

                                                  • Re: Xcode for iPad Pro
                                                    Luva69 Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

                                                    Everything is possible! Xcode will most certainly be available for iPad in the future. Would be cool to have an iPad with lets say 3 ultra-thin screens folded together, where you can detach each screen to be separate. All connected by bluetooth. That would be love....:-)...

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                                                      esummers Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

                                                      I'd love to see an iOS companion app to Xcode even if it was not full featured or maybe re-imagined to make development easier.  It could integrate with OS X Server or TestFlight for building and launching.  I'm sure someone will write a Swift IDE now that SourceKit and PackageManager are open source.

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                                                          bob133 Level 4 Level 4 (955 points)

                                                          Now there's an idea.  Unfortunately, though, I'm not sure it would be realistically feasible .

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                                                              Eskil Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

                                                              Since when did Apple start aiming for the "realistically feasible" ? Of course it can be done, and I think it should be done sooner rather than later! I would love to code on the releasing platform occasionally, and it would add to Apples competitive edge!

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                                                            Kasuist Level 1 Level 1 (5 points)

                                                            I'd be happy to just see support for playgrounds.

                                                             

                                                            You could still write books, blog posts and teach with something like that.

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                                                              Ratha.iOS Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

                                                              That is would be great to have XCode for iPad Pro.

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                                                                sleepdeficit Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

                                                                For the haters Swift Playgrounds for iPad iOS10. Not XCode.. Yet.. But you guys gotta stop saying stuff can't be done. "Goonies never say die"

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                                                                  roloman Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

                                                                  Has anyone heard anything about at least plans to run XCode on the new IPad Pro? because that would be the only reason I would buy the IPad Pro at that price

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                                                                    hd_sali Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

                                                                    I'm surprised, iPad pro is very powerful but unfortunately comparing with its rival "Microsoft surface", it's suffer from a fundamental issue and that is its operating system. Surface uses such OS which is used in an usual laptop or PC; So user can install EVERY software that use in his laptop or PC, on his Surface as well without any concerns!

                                                                     

                                                                    I hope some day this makes happen for iPad pro too. ( i.e it uses OSX which is used in macbook or mac, instead of iOS). After that we'll be able to install/use all of our applications and program which are used on our macbook, on our iPad pro as well!

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                                                                        KMT Level 9 Level 9 (10,425 points)

                                                                        Put macOS on a tablet and watch MBP sales drop...instant cannibalizationn of the better revenue stream. Why would Apple do that when they've got both streams paying off now.

                                                                         

                                                                        MS would love to have Apple's razor and blades business model, except for all the hardware vendors they'd break promise to, but even if they can't sell razors, at least they still have loads of blades to push.

                                                                         

                                                                        New MBPs to be announced soon, I think, so devs rejoice

                                                                      • Re: Xcode for iPad Pro
                                                                        glichen Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

                                                                        Dear Apple, It is time. Sincerely, Your loyal dev community.

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                                                                          iakar Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

                                                                          The only reason I am not investing in an iPad pro is because it does not run Xcode. Since I am not an artist and I am not interested in playing games, I cannot justify spending $700+ on a device that I can use to surf the web or watch netflix on. When Xcode comes to iPad, I will too. 

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                                                                            glichen Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

                                                                            As a workaround and not a solution there are a couple options I've looked into but haven't tried yet:

                                                                            Screens

                                                                            TeamViewer

                                                                             

                                                                            Clearly not a solution but could help the on-the-go dev prior to some kind of "XcodeLite"

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                                                                              erickb Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

                                                                              I also expect Xcode for iPad Pro

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                                                                                MattWeb Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

                                                                                There does seriously need to be a push for XCode for iPad Pro. I have a macbook but don’t always want to be lugging that about. Come on Apple listen to the devs and sort this out.

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                                                                                  camolleur Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

                                                                                  this is what I do:

                                                                                   

                                                                                  keep my mbp hooked up at home with teamviewer running.

                                                                                   

                                                                                  i take my LTE iPad Pro with teamviewer anywhere and can run XCode, visual studio, or adobe premiere, pro tools, etc...

                                                                                   

                                                                                  not not all features on every app translate but this saves me a lot of time and unplugging.