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      • 45. Re: get current WiFi ssid
        eskimo Apple Staff Apple Staff (11,465 points)

        jorisvervuurt wrote:

        It's been very silent on Apple's side...

        You call this silence (-:

        @eskimo, do you have an update regarding this […]

        No.  As I mentioned earlier, I will update this thread when I have more to share.


        jorisvervuurt wrote:

        Another thing: 'deprecated' basically means it is going to be removed in a future version.

        And JetForMe wrote:

        I'd also like to point out that deprecation means an API is unchanged for now, but will go away in the future.

        Just on a personal level, I totally agree with your definition of the word “deprecated”.

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        • 46. Re: get current WiFi ssid
          adpward Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

          Actually, I do understand.

           

          I fully appreciate that no one here wants to create a captive network and that the new API and associated permission is not helpful.

           

          I have spoken with Apple developer support in the past - to a developer / engineer beyond a call handler and my question was understood / taken on board and a work around provided. This is why I made the suggestion.

          • 47. Re: get current WiFi ssid
            Macboy Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

            I too have an app that needs to know if the user is using mobile connection or connected to a WiFi network specified by the user itself. The app has been available for more than 1 year and not being able to know if the connection is wifi/mobile, besides making all active installations crash, will result in enormous rework, to say the least. Privacy & security concerns understood and agreed, will Apple:


            A. Provide a way to detect if the connection is WiFi or mobile? Even better: if the current WiFi SSID is the same specified by the user? We don't need to know all available SSIDs, just the one the user manually entered in order to ignore URL calls when not connected to the specific hotspot.

             

            B. Remove 1 star reviews result of crashes until developers find a solution and have time to change what has been done so far?

            • 48. Re: get current WiFi ssid
              picobit Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

              Does anyone have access to bug 22081099 ?

               

              My bug report 22247368 has been closed, saying "Duplicate of 22081099". Now this bug has been closed too. What does that mean? Is the fixed? Will it be fixed? Will it never be fixed, because Apple don't wants our apps to run on iOS 9?

              • 49. Re: get current WiFi ssid
                ulide4 Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

                Dear Apple Team

                 

                Just want to raise another voice for those developers expecting a lot of bad reviews and frustration with the release of iOS9.

                I am in the same boat. My App is relying on identifying the currently connected network. By far the best (only) way is to use the BSSID / SSID.

                All other possible solutions/workarounds to achieve this I would call medicore at best. And this shouldn't be the case for an App on the App Store.

                My (paying) customers are very happy with my App (almost all reviews I receive are 5 stars).

                How to explain to them that a core functionality of my App isn't available anymore?

                 

                Thanks for reading. Feedback is very much appreciated.

                • 50. Re: get current WiFi ssid
                  adpward Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

                  My Bug "22341005" was also closed as a duplicate. I have tried and cannot find a way to gain access to 22081099. I have replied to complain that no feedback has been given - but the bug report remains closed and will therefore remain unanswered.

                  • 51. Re: get current WiFi ssid
                    Macboy Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

                    I thought apps would start to crash -only- when iOS9 is out? I was wrong, and found it out via recent 1 star reviews. Does anyone know in which iOS8 update this was introduced?

                     

                    My immediate solution: removed everything from sale.

                    • 52. Re: get current WiFi ssid
                      picobit Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

                      Some of your customers may attend the iOS 9 public beta program. Although Apple has blocked reviews from iOS 9 beta itself, your customers can easily use iTunes or another iOS device to rate your app.

                      • 53. Re: get current WiFi ssid
                        Macboy Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

                        It doesn’t sound good. I can’t afford a collection of 1 star reviews until late September, especially when developers can’t protect themselves or contest reviews.

                        • 54. Re: get current WiFi ssid
                          RLKingSoftware Level 3 Level 3 (495 points)

                          +1000 here. Just submitted my own bug report: 22392154

                           

                          There is no reasonable expectation of privacy with a broadcast SSID

                          so removing the ability to read that string makes zero sense. In my case

                          my app displays the SSID to the user along with internal and external

                          IP addresses. This is a key feature of the app and one which cannot

                          be removed without further devaluing the app which already lost functionality

                          due to previous deprecations/removals MAC address, UDID, etc.

                           

                          If this is going to be the path forward, I'm sorry to say, I may have to move

                          to other platforms and say goodbye to iOS entirely. I prefer not to have to

                          make such a move but this nonsense all in the name of privacy is getting

                          far too out of hand.

                          • 55. Re: get current WiFi ssid
                            SolarCat Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

                            Absolutely agree that their is no reasonable expectation of privacy with a broadcast SSID (which is why all of my personal networks don't broadcadt their SSID).  Apple should know this. *cough*

                            • 56. Re: get current WiFi ssid
                              maverick808b Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

                              Also agree.  And would add that the privacy argument completely fails since if you are granted the NEHotspotHelper privalage then the app gets access to both BSSID and SSIDs and the user is never presented with any confirmation dialog.  Either the information is a privacy concern or it's not.  If it is not then give access to it, if it is then pop-up a confirmation dialog just like location, contacts, photos and everything else.  There is absolutely no need to just remove functionality and kill apps when the solution of a user confirmation dialog solves this.

                               

                              I just don't get it, how can a user's exact location 24/7 from GPS be permitted, yet broadcast SSIDs and BSSIDs are somehow considered totally off limits!?

                              • 57. Re: get current WiFi ssid
                                Macboy Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

                                Can’t agree more with everything you said.

                                 

                                >>  I just don't get it, how can a user's exact location 24/7 from GPS be permitted, yet broadcast SSIDs and BSSIDs are somehow considered totally off limits!?

                                 

                                Let’s bet that’s on the way?

                                • 58. Re: get current WiFi ssid
                                  eskimo Apple Staff Apple Staff (11,465 points)

                                  Does anyone know in which iOS8 update this was introduced?

                                  No version of iOS 8 has, or will get, this restriction.  I don’t know where these reviews are coming from but picobit’s theory sounds reasonable to me.

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                                  • 59. Re: get current WiFi ssid
                                    eskimo Apple Staff Apple Staff (11,465 points)

                                    RLKingSoftware wrote:

                                    There is no reasonable expectation of privacy with a broadcast SSID […]

                                    I strongly disagree with this.  The collection of SSIDs that the user’s device associates with is a fairly accurate fingerprint of that user.  Moreover, that fingerprint is persistent, correlatable between apps, and can’t be reset by the user.  Those are all Bad Things™ from a privacy perspective.

                                    I totally agree that there’s a balance to be struck between privacy and utility here, but arguing that there’s no privacy case to answer is naïve.

                                    SolarCat wrote:

                                    (which is why all of my personal networks don't broadcadt their SSID)

                                    Which is kid sister security IMO because all APs broadcast their BSSID, which is much more identifying (typically it’s the MAC address of the AP).  Notably, CNCopyCurrentNetworkInfo also gives you the BSSID )-:

                                    maverick808b wrote:

                                    I just don't get it, how can a user's exact location 24/7 from GPS be permitted, yet broadcast SSIDs and BSSIDs are somehow considered totally off limits!?

                                    It’s because that access is granted by explicit user consent and that consent can be easily revoked via the user interface.


                                    I want to reiterate that I think the behaviour exhibited by the current iOS 9 beta is unacceptable, and I’m hopeful that things will improve before GM.  Alas, I can’t go into specifics at this time.

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                                    Quinn "The Eskimo!"
                                    Apple Developer Relations, Developer Technical Support, Core OS/Hardware
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